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Sunday, September 12, 2021

Ugh, Zero whut? Observations and a Stupid Idea?

Greetings Me Droogs N Droogettes!
0400, and man, waking up with a vague hangover, and a feeling of the creeping horrors.  Don't know if it's the brain overloading, the constant flow of information and intel... I know last night, much to Wifey's disapproval I got flat out sloshed in a vain hope to rinse the memories and thoughts of the day outta me brain.  

Talked with Mike and Phil before I got too fucked up and we compared notes.  The Solidarity thing seems like it might be the way to go, but, it'll take a LOT of people doing the "Fuck Off/Walk Off" to make it a success.  Spent some time with Sapper bouncing some ideas, and one of them, and this was, a no shit GMTA moment, The Grey Man emailed me the same Idea that we were cogitating on.

Now, this idea CAN be implemented.  BUT it's going to take a metric fuckton of balls and People to pull it off.  A -smidgen- of folks ain't going to do it.  And I have -no idea- how we can get the ball rolling nationally so to speak.  Hell, even at my best I only get about 20K pings here on my best day.  And it's legal to do.  So, if'n your a regular here, and you got your own blegg, and like the idea, repoast or relink if'n would.  Thankee Kindly

That is simply Evvabody out there head down to HR this week, and re-file your W-4
On the new form, write the word "EXEMPT" on Line 4(c).

That's it.

Read my lips: No new tax money out of your paycheck.

Now, I ain't no Tax Lawyer nor do I pretend to know the intricacies of the Tax Code by any means.  
The W-4 itself sez:
Far as I'm concerned, if they ask me (or you) UNDER OATH of "Why" did you refile your W-4, you can tell them you 'expected' you wouldn't owe any taxes, So sorry 'bout that, My Bad!

Now reality?  You'll have to figure out how to 'hold on' to your tax monies so to speak.  Because once you file exempt, the DotGov will stop taking out the income tax $$$.  Understanding this, YOU WILL STILL BE LIABLE FOR THAT TAX $$$ AT THE END OF THE YEAR HOWEVER.

What -I- and -I- is thinking though, is right now the DotGov is running on some very lean fumes so to speak.  Like razor-thin operating costs.  Now, this approach does a couple of things.  One is that this cuts off the every-two-weeks mudsucking of cash from peoples payroll... shuts down the FedGov Grift of insta-cash.  Second, the absolute flooding of the 'supposedly understaffed' cretins at the DotIRS would go into catastrophic meltdown mode.  

Think aboot it for a moment Aye?

Say eighty million people suddenly shut off the money from the DotGov.

MOR would be better

Not being a Tax lawyer as I said, but I don't think they can do anything except maybe shit in their pants in a massive fashion.  BUT it'd take a massive undertaking.  Now, IF and only IF enough people do it, Leviathan would go apeshit.  However, this's something that in my twisted mind tells me is a surefire way to instantly starve the beast.  Changing the tax code or rules takes a literal Act of Congress (I think)

Now if it doesn't work, make sure you save at least 20% out of your check "for the 'Big Guy' 'cos sure as hell the IRS is definitely going to come looking for it's bux eventually.

That being said, this may be one serious spanner we can legally throw in the Gears of the DotGov

Your Thoughts?
More Later, I'ma Try to go back to bed.
I Remain the Intrepid Reporter
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52 comments:

  1. I like the idea in concept but I doubt it would be practical. There aren't enough people to make a difference and I would be that a huge percentage of your readers probably will quietly keep on doing what they are doing. Even a 100,000 people doing this wouldn't bother them. My recommendation is the same as it has been for a while. Get out of the corporate world entirely, find something you can do to make a living working for yourself and get away from the blast zones. The Poles in Solidarity were made of far sterner stuff than all but the most hardcore among us and the bigger problem is that while those Poles had little left to lose, most of us still think we have a lot to lose.

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  2. Unfortunately the Feds dont do accounting the way private companies do. What is standard financial practice for the Feds would get private company owners sent to jail for fraud.

    So the a W4 type op against a private company would cause a serious cash flow problem very quickly. But for the Feds they would not even notice for 12 to 18 months and even then they would just do some number juggling and the missing cash would just go on the National Debt.

    But anyone trying the W4 op would be looking at a world of pain. In the long term. Its not the original sum owed, it the penalties and "interest". A number which they can often they can pull out of thin air. A lot more than the original sum.

    Plus the way the tax code is written every single tax return breaks some rule or other. By design. Even if you follow the rules as published in the guide. You know how the game works.

    I'd pick a fight with a TLA before I'd tangle with the IRS. The IRS have far more power to really fuck you over. Even after you are dead.

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    1. Plus, there's the issue of estimated quarterly taxes. Those aren't just for business owners. Employees who don't have any taxes withheld would still have to make estimated tax payments every quarter. At least I believe that is correct. And there are penalties if you fail to comply.

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  3. Way back when, I had a plethora of cash and I changed my withholding to "0" because I could pay the liability at the end of the year. At the end of the second year, I got a letter from the IRS saying: "LISTEN MUTHERFUCKER, YOU WILL BE MAKING QUARTERLY PAYMENTS OR WE WILL FUCK YOU UP."
    Your idea is sound, but they will catch up.

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    1. Quarterly payments sounds like a business, which has different rules than individuals.

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    2. Businesses do pay quarterly, but they hold out the government portion of payroll with every check. If your employer makes two quarters of payments but show zero withheld for you, the IRS is absolutely going to be checking up with you to find out the reason why. Penalties will be assessed.

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  4. I been saying this to people I know to stop withholding tax for a while now. Once the election was stolen they lost the first rights to my income. It goes strait to savings and makes me interest... Then I can decide at tax time if they deserve any back.

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  5. I understand the plan but I don't think it will work, even with high participation. The (((powers that be))) literally have all the money in the world. Most of what they do costs, not makes, money. Diversity hiring, woke movies, black terrorism promoted in fucking video game logins, blacks in EVERY. SINGLE. COMMERCIAL. EVERYWHERE. anti-American and anti-White propaganda in sports- I don't think they care about money. They care about power and a dumbed-down, mixed race slave caste.

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  6. Interesting thought but given they are already "Creating" money on the fly would it work aside from getting the IRS and your employer pissed at you?

    As they have already done retroactive laws recently I suppose they can write just "one More" to punish such rebellion eh?

    Historically speaking wasn't it taxation with out representation part of the initial rebellion?

    Grey man it isn't but then again I am in the process of re-reading my Robert Heinlein and Stainless Steel Rat series.

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    1. I always wondered about 'out representation'.
      .
      I presume 'out representation' refers to dragging Ol' Daisy down from over the mantle -- she tends toward an 'argumentative mood' on her best days -- and heading over to 'discuss' matters with the nearest uppity bumblebrats?
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      PS:
      Video, or it did not happen!

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  7. As a practicing CPA, yes you can. The caveat of course is that, as stated, (assuming next winter there is a "functional" government with which to file taxes), you will still owe the taxes unless you've already overpaid with year-to-date withholding. More importantly for many, September 15 quarterly estimated payments due for so many can be scaled back or eliminated to also "starve the beast".

    But do not look upon this as the 'be all, end all'. They government will still borrow money to keep running. In the short run maybe have to borrow a bit more but they'll definitely spend some time gnashing teeth if this fly in the ointment does happen large scale

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    1. Most people have more then they need to be taken out They say it is like a bank at tax time but government is using your money and you get no return on it Just let you owe them money see what happens= Interest fines penalties

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  8. I like it. I was thinking the same thing yesterday...as in if I can't participate in your society Vax free, then I'm sure as hell not going to help fund it with my tax dollars, so how can I opt out?
    Better yet, I only want the tax dollars I have contributed to go to roads (normally I'd say national defense, but since we no longer have any, I'll opt out of that too, until the .mil decides defense is better than woke BS).

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  9. Sounds like a great idea on the surface, except for two problems.
    First, penalties take a bite when you file if you didn't qualify.
    Second, automatic letters to payroll to question exempt status.
    Basically, you're told to correct your W-4 pronto or else quit.

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  10. If I were king...

    1) Eliminate employer withholding. Instead, make every employee write a check to the IRS every two weeks.

    2) Everyone due a refund file early. Every tax payer file for an extension. Let 'em suck air for 90 days.

    2) Move voting day to April 16.

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    1. This. So much This!
      Back when I was self employed and had to make my own quarterly, and then as I earned more - my monthly estimates - I thought that the only reason that everyone else that has to pay taxes isn’t in open tax revolt is that it’s removed before being seen - so they don’t miss it as much….
      And don’t even get me started in the idiots that use their excessive withholdings as an enforced savings - part of which they get back at tax time. 🤪

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    2. Indeed. Forced savings that earns you ZERO interest. Fun to point out to them that the just concluded and interest free loan to .gov. Ask them "What? You think .gov just leaves all your money just sitting not earning THEM interest?".

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  11. I like it, but the IRS will fine you for doing this, and charge a late fee as well, so you will just bankrupt yourself and they will get more of your money. Look at bartering, less income overall, dropping out of society as much as possible. I don't put anything into 401K as it is ultimately controlled by the .gov, and they can federalize it at any time. (steal it is a better word), for the good of all you know. I am trying to survive to protect my family. If I need to sacrifice myself at some future date for my country I assume God will let me know when that time comes. Right now,, my country does not exist, and I don't see that it ever will. I can't forcibly convert the 50% or so commie socialists over to my way of thinking. And they vote. Sadly, I don't see a solution. Those of you willing to die for the cause should consider what happens to your family if you are gone. As has been said before, get out of the cities, avoid crowds, learn to be the gray family, not just the gray man. I am in deep Appalachia, my neighbors look after my property and I theirs. I trade honey from my bees for their eggs and chickens. I'm old so they help me with projects and I help them with medical care as I am a retired doc. Look up how many federal agents did not return from these hills during prohibition. God, Family, Country is how I was raised.

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    1. Checkers, appreciate your point of view. One complaint I have with the stated words is where you say " Right now,,my country does not exist, " and I would strongly disagree with you. Your country does exist, and my country does exist. My God exists. My family exists. My Country exists.

      My government does not exist.

      The government we may now wish to starve wishes to kill our country, and our God and our resistance to tyranny. We must never lose sight of how our country is defined, and it in no way includes anything *government*; NEVER DID, NEVER WILL.

      For those that never read it, Tom Baugh does some good splainin' in his book "Starve the Monkeys". Claire Wolfe's monkeywrenching techniques are good too. Playing fuck-fuck with the R I S is serious bidness, not for the weak hearted.

      But I learned playing fuck-fuck can never be a one way street.

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  12. Just like the tax system is set up already.....the majority, and it's a big one, don't pay taxes. There's just a few of us who do. Love the idea tho. I wonder if people who work at the IRS really pay their taxes?

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  13. won't work.

    1. If you are off too far on what you are they charge you a penalty. And the IRS actually scares people unlike say FBI.

    2. They'll just print more. They haven't actually cared about what "money" they have coming in or out in 20+ years. And especially now, they aren't even pretending anymore. They just fire up the Fed printers and woosh, magic money appears.

    No, IMHO money isn't the key. (although cash transactions are always good, the states and locals however do actually have to have "real" money and they do have to balance the books. And most states run off sales tax and property tax. black market indeed

    IMHO work is the key. No, i will not fix that line, move that bale, whatever. But of course no one will actually strike cuz "muh stuff". but you know going to work and working at the pace of a government employee. well still getting paid right? but ain't nothing getting accomplished. A work slowdown if you will. malicious compliance, work exactly to the rules. No sir I"m sorry this is more than 4' above ground i'll need a tie off to work above this level, please obtain it, i'll wait. All those rules that get ignored, well follow them to the letter.

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  14. I've been doing that for years with no problem. Of course, I keep my income below Fed tax levels because I do everything possible not to give those criminal bastards anything. As I've said and written for more than a decade, we've got to stop paying the mfers.

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    1. Yup, quit paying taxes in '05.
      Takes a lot of homework which most folks won't do anyway. Hell, most of them can't do a 1040 by themselves, and just read all the excuses they make for themselves! And 99% of you don't understand the FedRes and the fiat money situation in this country, you've been brainwashed your entire lives to live as tax slaves to the elites, they farm you for taxes. That's your entire life purpose here, to serve the politicians and bankers with your labor, and they live like kings off the sweat of your brow. Why are they all so filthy rich in just a few years??? And you willingly play the game.
      Read; "The Creature from Jekyl Island" by G. Edward Griffin, YouTube vids for the slow of learning too.
      https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+creature+from+jekyll+island&atb=v253-1&ia=web

      Read this blog to learn more about exempting from taxes; https://www.losthorizons.com/The16th.htm
      https://losthorizons.com/Newsletter.htm

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  15. In principle, I really like this idea. Something to consider though is that the IRS will assess penalties and possibly interest for underpaying through the year. Income taxes are not like property taxes which you can pay in full before the deadline without penalty.

    I’m not saying don’t do what your suggesting, just be aware you’ll owe more than your tax bill at the end.

    Then again, if 80 million just say, “Meh. We’re out,” enforcement becomes a bit of a chore.

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  16. I think the problem would be that the W-4 instructions say " ... you had no federal income tax liability in 2020 AND ...". If you paid taxes for 2020, then you can't legally claim EXEMPT. However, you can claim deductions in step 4b of the W-4, to adjust for things that reduce your taxable income, like putting money into a traditional IRA. If you actually put the money into an IRA, you won't be liable for the federal income tax on that amount at the end of the year.

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  17. My thought is that the Feds have no actual need for any of our tax dollars because dollars are created from thin air by the Fed to supply every whim of the tyrants. Income tax is for the specific purpose of keeping us poor and afraid. While I like the spirit of your plan, in reality the IRS is staffing up with zillions of little tyrants that will be auditing and prosecuting people like wildfire. Might be wrong, but that's what I think. For now; I'm going along with their rules.

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  18. It might hurt them , or maybe they would just print more money. They have no morals.

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  19. Uh, that's EXTRA withholding you are exempting yourself from. Not the regular kind. That is, if you expect to owe additional tax revenue next April and do not wish to be dinged for a penalty, you can request that your employer extract a defined dollar amount to send off to the IRS each pay period, above and beyond that which you normally contribute. You are, by default, "exempt" from this extra withholding, hence the 'Optional' tag on line 4.

    If you wish to starve Uncle Satchmo out of his "due", claim 12 dependents. If enough people do that, revenue will be reduced to a trickle.

    /Two cents

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  20. I've been thinking of this approach for a while now. Just save the 20% myself and to hell with their stupid withholdings. Time to starve the monkey!

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  21. I Love It....

    Starve That Bitch !!

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  22. The IRS is still something to be feared, if they come after you. If you do this and do not want to be penalized you need to do quarterly returns and pay what is owed then, so they are still getting money ahead. Now if you can get some interest on the money you are holding for them it would be better that what is going on now.

    But that is a lot of work just to deny the feds some cash for a time.

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  23. Excellent plan if widely employed. You'll need enemy help though. Need someone like Rand Paul to announce it and the media to splash everywhere the story of this treasonous agitator.

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  24. Oh sure, become a tax cheat, that'll show 'em. And because you did so in step with tens of thousands of your brothers, er, I mean fellow conspirators, they'll be sure to add that charge to your term. Then, while you feast on baloney sammiches at the gray bar, they'll find all y'll guilty. The recent change in the law makes you now a prohibited person. Show them what they've won, Johnny.

    What, you didn't know about the change in the law? What else don't you know? But sure, go ahead and give them that gift so imaginative, so sure fire which even they could not have conjured. This is only a bit more 'out there' than trying to wrap my head around the people with the gun trying awfully hard not to use the gun. I'm sure it will work.

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    1. Be careful Rick. There’s no room in the patriot blogosphere for those “who can see.”
      Just ask Rowdy Roddy.

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  25. My point is, if you are to become ungovernable, if you are to sabotage The Company, then at some point you become unlawful. Right now the game seems to be in what manner do you become unlawful? It seems to me that is the wrong rules. Hey, if you're gonna be outside the law, then be outside the law. At least man's law which has become so corrupted by those who decided the rule of men benefits them far more than the Rule of Law.

    See, you're wanting to overthrow them who have already overthrown the government. They are the treasonous criminals. Yet y'll acting like how to avoid becoming unlawful.

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  26. For some years now, we have referred to our taxes as "Paying tribute to the Great Khan". We pay our tribute, and he leaves us alone for the next year. Refuse to pay and you WILL be whacked.
    Does the name Beardsley Ruml mean anything to you? He's the political wonk under FDR during WWII who invented payroll withholding. The eye opening story is Amity Shlaes book: The Greedy Hand.
    We had good friends many years ago who joined a tax protest group because they were convinced the 16th amendment was never legally ratified. They both ended up doing hard time for it. If you want to take on Leviathan and be a martyr for the cause, go right ahead. But as I said at the time, you have no right to take down your family with you--they had two small boys at the time, and that irked me about the whole scheme.
    I will continue to be the grey man, and seek other ways of monkeywrenching TEPTB (the E is for Evil).

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  27. Sounds good and all, but remember, the IRS, like the BATFE, makes all the rules that control its bloated existence. Including such fun rules as "If you make a mistake, you pay. If we make a mistake it's your fault, so you pay."

    Had an employer not pay. Then the company went bankrupt after I left. The withholding that wasn't paid? Yep, I was, according to the IRS, responsible for the withholding not paid (even though I got those little slips saying employer paid) AND the fucking penalty, and interest. Which, of course, they decided to collect about a year before they couldn't. So 6 years of penalties and interest at rates that make the local unfriendly loan shark seem nice. And then they offered a deal, in typical Fed style. Pay 3x the original withholding (plus a 'small' processing fee) or never ever catch up.

    Of course, this is all after my first paycheck from working for a place where they did a security clearance that almost didn't get me hired because the USGov told the company to fuck off, they're not telling the company who my next-door neighbors on a military base were when I was born (no, really, that far of a a security check. The actual employees who did all the work? Only till high-school.) So I had to pull a quick loan to pay off Uncle Scam, which is hard to do when Uncle Scam is garnishing your wages and your employer is threatening to dehire you because Uncle Scam is garnishing your wages.

    Choose your battle carefully. Especially if you get any 'benefits' from Uncle Scam. What you do to the IRS the IRS will do to you in spades. And they have the 'regulatory depth' to play the long game and smile at you now and then hit you hard when you're not looking.

    Just like the BATFE, saying that X is A-OKAY now and then three weeks after a million X are sold, saying that X is Verbotten and they've seized the records of the X company and will be finding everyone with X and nuking them, unless you voluntarily turn X in, and they'll still punish you for following their initial ruling that X was a-okay because they're the FedGov and they can get away with that shit.

    The time for fighting about unjust taxes and taxation without representation is long gone. Maybe in the 20's or 30's, but now? Nope, it's established like cancer, Stage 4 cancer.

    The only way to opt out of the system is to lose everything they can seize. Dying won't even stop them.

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  28. Just get off the train entirely. Stop working for someone that is evil enough to steal a portion of your earnings before you even get them. See the old lady across the street that needs her lawn mowed? Go mow it for $20 cash and put that coin in your pocket, and spend it as you see fit. Maybe the guy next door needs his wooden steps repaired. Grab your hammer and go over there and fix em for $50 cash. Whatever you can do and like to do can be done for cash. It's nobody else's business how you earn your money and how you spend it. In case you hadn't noticed the idea of working for 20 then the gold watch and retirement has been long gone. You are now in the race to see who survives and there are no rules. You can do it for yourself, or you can do it for someone else, but you will do it. Since 1986 I have been doing it myself and the idea of working for an employer, to me, seems like slavery. My 3/2 on wooded acreage is paid for and I have no debt. This wasn't luck. It was cunning and hard work. No lazy asses need apply.

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  29. I love how everyone was like yeah it’s go time fuck the man get ready you could have my guns bullet first but you’re afraid of the fucking IRS. That’s how they get you. Do you have too much to lose even though this whole fucking thing is coming down. That proves that you’re still beholden to the system and don’t believe that everything‘s going to crumble. That’s a slave mentality there’s no freedom fighters left.

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    1. Funny how not 1 in 100 will stand up to the tax thieves, and yet when TSHTF, miraculously they will all become Rambo overnight.
      I've been listening to this shit for over 2 decades and see nothing but blowhards who hide behind their tax accountant. Growing a pair and standing all on your own isn't for tax slaves. Or how about going to court and representing yourself, and winning, because you did the homework yourself?
      But oh no, OMG, they might audit me!!!!!!!

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  30. Ann Barnhardt went on tax strike a few years back. They swept her bank accounts and her bank repossessed her house, which she was ahead on in payments. Mordor wants it's share of your life.

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  31. OK, the original idea doesn't work for a lot of reasons, so what about this - change your life so that you don't owe taxes. Reduce your income, work under the table, or do like Mrs. Freeholder and I have done and retire early. Obviously there are sacrifices to be made in terms of reduced purchasing power, but most of us have too much crap anyway.

    Ayn Rand called it "going Galt" in Atlas Shrugged. When I first read it, I figured there was no way for Average Joe to do it and still keep up with the necessary things. I got pushed into doing so, and found out it wasn't as hard as I expected it to be. Still making changes and re-ordering things, but after 5 years, so far, so good. As a matter of fact, to celebrate the 5th anniversary of understanding that the rats have won the race, Son and I are going to the wilds of WV for a trout fishing expedition. Beats working for a living.

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  32. I like the idea of cutting them off, and the IRS might object.
    To avoid problems with the IRS, one could just take a day off without pay; no pay, no tax liability. I wouldn't want to do it very often though; who could afford that? Enough folks doing it randomly, could give them some pause, however.
    They will print money as needed anyway. They are now a machine, and the only way to stop it is revolution.
    My former employer told me that they have to send payroll tax checks to the feds frequently; like every month or more. The decrease would cause their "projected numbers" to fall short.

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  33. I've been doing that for years, as I recognized it was a 0% loan to the gov. As you noted, as long as you pay up by the tax deadline there are no legal issues. For reasons others have already stated I don't think it will have much of an effect on the gov, but it is a sound financial decision for the individual. As long as you aren't a profligate spender that won't have any money left at the end of the year.

    The best way to starve the beast is get off the financial grid as much as possible: barter, in-kind payments, etc.

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  34. 1970s, after a weekend workshop with Irwin Schiff, I followed his suggestion -- I read the Internal Revenue Service code-book cover-to-cover.
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    a -- the outside says 'voluntary compliance'.
    b -- the inside has thousands of 'special laws' so specific, they were obviously writ to protect a very small segment of those allegedly liable for the aforementioned voluntary compliance.
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    Examples I read:
    * exemptions for fishing vessels operated during June-October and over one hundred forty-four feet and not exceeding one hundred sixty-three feet and with non-employee share-holders as owner-operators of equipment and not the vessel... (bring your rod, bait, and net?)
    .
    * exemptions for businesses with between twelve hundred twenty-four and twenty-four hundred thirty part-time contract and non-contract workers and creating non-edible perishable goods for other than occasional holidays... ('other than occasional' holiday? Hallmark cards?) ('non-edible perishable' flowers?)
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    * exemptions for family-owned soap and detergent manufacturers organized prior to 1938 and operated semi-continuously and producing recognized non-consumable pharmaceuticals and essential unscented non-bathing products and having more than seven but less than nine owners related by blood or marriage or similar relationship... (I definitely qualify.)
    .
    * exemptions for manufacturers of latex-based goods of an essential nature and non-resident operators of essential mineral extraction during non-declared war-time footings... (miners making condoms? #metoo!)
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    and my favorite:
    * exemptions for postal workers and members of Congress and their staffs and families and friends and Political Action Committees donating at least us$10,000 for at least the two preceding fiscal periods...
    (Maybe not that last code.)
    .
    I suggest anybody relying on The Internal Revenue Service code-book ought to read The Internal Revenue Service code-book.
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    .
    keyword:
    * "It may not mean what you think it means."

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  35. That's not the way that form works. 4(c) is for EXTRA withholding. I have never put anything on line 4(c) (neither has any other sane person) because I don't want more than the STANDARD amount withheld.

    You'd need to tell your employer you don't want ANY of your income withheld. That still won't apply to payroll taxes which the employer must withhold -- i.e., employer would not hire you if you insisted on having that money.

    What people must do is work "off the books". You don't do that by filling out a W-4

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  36. Quit filing since 1993 have spoken to an agent once since then, studied the law and learned how they operate, if you do it you will own nothing of any value, no real estate or new vehicles or any thing that they can seize, just live frugally deal in cash as much as possible leave little to no money in any financial institution, and remember what gets most people in the pokey is filing a false tax return, it will get you there very quick, best to not even file and never ever sign your name on anything from IRS find an older vehicle with low to no resale value and fix it up mechanically, rent instead of owning(shouldn't be a problem in the future) and if that still bothers you, get mobile and work for cash, they can't seize what they can't find.
    Talked to an agent few months back and informed her how badly I was treated by IRS previous to talking to her, she actually apologized to me for past treatment and I informed her that the IRS was dead to me and I would never file another tax return again, they do take 30% of my ss check and she said they can now take it all, I said if that makes you sleep better at night than take it all, I bow down to no man no matter what
    This country is lost, never going to come back, if you are still working do as I do and list 6 exemptions, it is legal and you will keep so much more of your income, I explained to the agent that she didn't need my signature to steal my income, and she didn't need my money to keep the country going, they can print all the money they need, she did not argue with me and said she would close out the account, which she explained would stop any action but every two yrs the computer kicks the name out again and they start threatening letters again, I told her that was fine, said I don't even open them, they just go into the round file.
    A year ago I would have discouraged you from doing any of the above, now not so sure, I believe a financial collapse is joust around the corner and when that happens dotgov will have more important things to do than chase down tax slckers but DYODD

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  37. Ten years on, and saying that was ‘a hell of a day’ is still freshly accurate.
    https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/dangerous-mission-afghanistan-101st-airborne-war-fire-fight-boettcher-13295965

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  38. BC, I love your spirit and ideas BUT the one agency that I would never mess with is the IRS.

    Someone in the comments mentioned Irwin Schiff, that man knew more about tax law than the majority of tax lawyers yet he died for his beliefs in Club Fed. I had a friend who was a tax protestor and claimed he was a "sovereign citizen". For years nothing happened until one day the IRS rolled in, seized his business, his house and auctioned everything in his house including his clothes. He got 5 years in the Federal Pen for his trouble. Also ask Wesley Snipes with millions of dollars and top tax lawyers who ended up doing years in Club Fed for his tax protest.
    My Grandpa told me that the IRS is like the mafia, you give them their cut and they'll leave you alone. You play games with them and they will seriously mess you up !!

    That all said the place that your idea would work is like what the French are doing. Truckers are protesting by refusing loads and taking vacations. Everything is delivered by semi and if shelves start being empty that could be the squeeze on folks.

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  39. Yes the IRS are Judge, Jury and executioner only thing close to that are insurance companies. They tell you what your gonna pay and what they will pay you.

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  40. Way ahead of you.

    I already refiled, pending whether I'm still employed/employable as of 10/01.

    I solemnly swear that I will keep Uncle's share safe for him.

    Assuming I still have a job next month.

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